How to Spot a Fake Sony VTC5 battery.

How to spot a Fake Sony Sony VTC5

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Sun Vapers learned that fakes were being sold on ebay from a concerned user on Reddit.  We have purchased the same batteries and tested them ourselves just to see what a fake looks like and how it would perform if someone chose to ignore it. The first half of this will show pictures comparing a fake to a real Sony, and the last half will show its performance.

WARNING:  THIS BLOG IS DATED.  There are multiple fakes from various sources.  Some of the counterfeits look really close to the real VTC5 and they have begun cloning the VTC3 and VTC4 to circumvent scrutiny.   This blog should HELP you eliminate one version of the fake but you should do extra research if you are concerned.   All VTC are allegedly discontinued in a loose format for 2014 according to my supplier.  Thanks. 10/26/2014

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Fake Seam Sony VTC5

I think the most obvious is the nasty seem. I would think almost everything would be overlooked by the average user but this seem is a dead giveaway since NO other battery maker has this issue it really catches the attention of the user.

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Fake Dot Matrix VTC5

The one on the left seems to be burnt in. The fake seems to be printed on the label in a neat square. NOTE: there seems to be some variance on the QR code either being slightly different or not present on real batteries. If needed, I will update this with more specifics.

Font Alignment VTC5

You can see the text alignment and font is slightly off. The logo seems a bit larger as well.

 

Postive comparison VTC5
In the image there is not much to see, both fakes I have came with sticky stuff on the positive. The positive seems only slightly raised. But this difference was hard to photograph.
Negative side Fake VTC5

The negative post will be raised on the fake. This is usually the sign of a China made battery. MNKE, Efest and other China brands I come across usually have this raised negative.

This part was more or less fun for me since I am a fan of batteries and what it could possibly mean for our future.   Honestly the battery itself is NOT TERRIBLE it works and will probably get the job done if needed.

The issue is the lack of credibility, we just don’t know how dangerous it could be and because of the credibility issue can we ever trust what the manufacturer would claim???? It does not produce 2.6 Ah and at 30 amps it WILL get super hot.

I have tested the battery and compared it to a real Sony VTC5!

Fake VTC5 capacity

Properly charged and discharge at 1 amp.

Fake Sony VTC5 discharge curve

Not even close the VTC3 LOL.

Fake VTC5 50 watts curve

Wattage test can illustrate more accurately how the battery will perform in a regulated scenario. You can get different capacities at different wattages.

 Final notes:

This will continue to happen, as time goes by I am not surprised.  The vape community loves counterfeits and I would say in my experience this is the first industry where the majority of users love counterfeits more than the idea men who created the brands the fakes attempt to imitate. And because of that everyone is jumping on the fake bandwagon!  I have so many emails of just fake product even of other Chinese companies!!!  The question I have is when are e-lqiuids going to start being counterfeited?  HAHA Peace out!

-Edward

by Edward@SV

Just an average guy running a small business.

24 thoughts on “How to Spot a Fake Sony VTC5 battery.

  1. Martin Wilson says:

    The whole idea of counterfeiting juices is quite scary to me, I can only imagine what some will do to cut corners and increase profits while poisoning the vapster. Problem with fake anything is that it drags down the whole industry in terms of quality and respectability for merchandise that has earned it’s place in mainstream vaping. My best example would be Kangertech, the best is the best and when someone undermines that with crap, it brings everything down. Peace

  2. Chris says:

    Hello! Great article! But i have some questions.
    First, i have 3 vct5’s and they individually exhibit the characteristics outlined here.

    All 3 have the flat negative end, not raised.

    But one of them has what appears to be a straight text print, and small “rl” logo, and “burned in qr code, but still has the “nasty seam”, in fact they all have the nasty seam.

    Another one has a printed qr code, and the third has no qr code at all!

    So, given that they have a flat bottom, and “clean” tops, but still exhibit both “real” and “fake” characteristics, is it safe to assume they are fake?

    • Edward@SV says:

      I would not go that far. The seam is far more noticeable than my camera can show. I would venture to say its glue underneath. Where did you buy the batteries?

  3. Tim Hoogland says:

    Thanks for doing this! I was the user on Reddit that brought this up. They are still harassing me over eBay messages. The seller is M** ****** and my Reddit name is ForeverEighty9. They also even had the audacity to tell me that I didn’t know what I was talking about. I will not be buying anything from them again. They also want me to remove the posts and videos but I will leave them up so others can identify fakes in the future.

    • susyn says:

      Is it possible the distributor doesn’t realize they are fake? I’ve noticed that a sellers tend tend to just repeat whatever manufacturer information given to them. Without using them or testing them, it’s possible they don’t know it. IMO, with batteries, who you buy them from is important.

      • Edward@SV says:

        There are so many people trying to make money in this. Some are smart but dishonest, some are honest but naive. It is very likely the Chinese distributor themselves doesn’t know they got a hold of fakes and it just goes down the chain all the way to the end user. In my experience, some people when they get ripped off, instead of being the difference in a line dishonest trades, they just do what was done to them in some weird twisted denial thing. Kick the can down the road mentality. Even with customers, if they got ripped off but it cannot be proven definitive, they will defend the junk product as long as solid empirical proof does not turn up. You can see this with some of accessories going around. There was even folks defending these batteries until the blog post come up, just as an example.

        To specifically answer yes its possible but I would say a good portion are just trying to unload the dud product before people catch on.

    • John H says:

      Have you reported the batteries to ebay as counterfeit?

      What price are they selling them for right now, or could you post the listing# so I can flag them myself?

    • scott saleff says:

      Hi Tim, Who is giving you a hard time, ebay ? If thats the case i will stop doing business with them as well. Thats wrong! Theres no shortage of places to do biz. Thanks.

      • darren says:

        Ebay doesn’t hassle buyers with complaints, they always try to make things right, if anyone is hassling him it’s the seller. Ebay doesn’t put up with deceitful sellers at all, and often refund peoples money themselves if the seller refuses and they find the buyer to be entitled to a refund.

        Ebay is actually a really cool company when it comes to protecting their customers from things like this, at least in my experience, they’ve always been almost eager to get grievances resolved in my experience, so much so that whenever I’ve had a problem that the seller took responsibility for and wanted to make right, they request that I notify Ebay of the problem, even though they’re taking care of it themselves. Simply because Ebay is really good at making sure things end up resolved for all parties, and are helpful to sellers who make an honest mistake and want to make it right. Ebay helps ensure that there reputation reflects this and isn’t damaged, since reputation on Ebay is everything.

        • darren says:

          sounds like i’m shilling for Ebay, lol. I’ve been on both sides of Ebay problems, and there has been more than one occasion where they bailed me out of significant losses due to scamming sellers overseas, I’ve also dealt with them when they take a backseat and just observe a scenario where the seller takes care of it themselves and just made a mistake, they are like a security blanket. I’m sure plenty of people have had bad experiences and swear off Ebay because of it, I personally haven’t yet

  4. Cat says:

    oh dear :-/ just when i thought i’d found a trustworthy place to get Sony VTC5 – no international shipping. :-/

    • Edward@SV says:

      What country are you in? Part of the issue is that even if I was able to ship international batteries are prohibited without a certain certifications.

  5. Daniel Bittner says:

    i just got 2 vtc5’s from ebay and they look exactly like the real, but the qr code or whatever that is, is alot darker on mine. and my lot number is the same as the real ones…is mine fake?

  6. jim friel says:

    I also purchased batteries from this ebay seller and thought the performance was lacking other batteries of mine. This was at least 1 month ago and had not realized there was a problem. I appreciate you and GrimmGreen bringing this to my attention. jim

  7. Taylor says:

    I just bought some from Amazon and it’s the exact same thing as the fakes you pointed out here on your website.

    • scott saleff says:

      I ordered three 2600s and one 2100 from t****** v***. The 2600s checked out to be real.The 2100 was not.I will be in touch with them. Smoketeck has the right idea.The caterpillar atty they came out with is as good as the high end attys.In my opinion They sell it at a clone price hence its not gonna be profitable for other companies to clone them. smoketeck gets all the money from their design. Because their good and affordable they make their money in volume. 100 for an atomizer is too much for most people. Thanks for the battery heads up.

  8. Greg says:

    so that “nasty seam” is something I’ve seen before in other batteries idk if the case with the fake vtc5’s is the same as the other batteries I’ve seen but that “seam” usually turns out to be an exposed grounding wire/filament that is just being held onto the battery via shinkwrap, and if that becomes truly exposed it can ground to the inside of your mod and arc weld itself in there and essentially destroy the mod

  9. Rob says:

    That seam rings a bell with me, I have seen that on batteries that have protection on them after the protection has been removed. Not difficult to do, not advisable though.

  10. Tony says:

    I learned an important battery buying rule a long time ago.
    First and don’t buy batteries from ebay or amazon. EVER! There are far to many bad eggs and uneducated sellers. Its a shame to ruin it for the few good sellers but unless you have some personal knowledge of the seller your rolling the dice.
    Second is to only buy from a reputable dealer like sun vapers. There others out there but I won’t post the names since this is not their site. Many, many sellers don’t know they have fakes. Even the most honest and trustworthy sellers buy batteries from alliabba and similar wholesale companies under the assumption they are paying for real batteries but they are not. Some dealers buy batteries and resell them. Some buy batteries, test them then resell them. Thats who you want to buy from.
    Third is, Cheap batteries are never good and good batteries are never cheap. They are the most important factor in performance and the last place you want to cut corners. You will never find a high quality name brand battery for half the going rate. Its a fake! A good sale is a couple bucks off. Any more than that and its most likely fake.
    Those are the rules I live by and I’ve never bought a fake battery.

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